With all of the hypocrisy we as a country have and have had with respect to how we choose to enforce our laws this one seems like a no brainier. Wether this officer broke the rules or not, I think we can all agree that in this one case it turned out to be a good thing he did. Especially for those who lived. Maybe he should be confined to barracks until he finishes a cold beer....
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I was a an Air Force Security Policeman. I served in USAFE and SAC. I carried a number of different guns while I was on duty.
No I didn't serve in combat. I did spend some time in body armor dealing with anti-nuclear protesters.
That guy in the Avatar is General Curtis Lemay. General Lemay was equally feared and respected by the people who served under him. I didn't have the opportunity to serve under his command, but I did serve under the officers who came up through the ranks while he was in command.
Yes I enforced some chicken **** rules. That was my job. I also enforced some rules that were put in place to prevent World War 3 or just an unplanned merger of Lake Superior with Lakes Michigan and Huron.
EX POST FACTO LAW? Can't do it! You cannot make illegal the act I did today! That's why they have laws going into effect on Jan 1 to publicize and inform.
Other way around, call for the REMOVAL of a law and its consequences. Otherwise known as an amnesty law. DECRIMINALIZING the act.
Gen Curtis LeMay was an American hero and a tough, no-nonsense leader who made hard decisions. He also does not sound like a General who would put up with chicken**** rules that put his troops in a defenseless position...
A famous legend often used by SAC flight crews to illustrate LeMay's command style concerned his famous ever-present cigar.[30] In the first known published account of the story, Life Magazine reporter Ernest Havemann related that LeMay once took the co-pilot's seat of a SAC bomber to observe the mission, complete with lit cigar.[31] When asked by the pilot to put the cigar out, LeMay demanded to know why. When the pilot explained that fumes inside the fuselage could ignite the airplane, LeMay reportedly growled, "It wouldn't dare."[31] The incident in the article was later used as the basis for a fictional scene in the 1955 film Strategic Air Command. In his highly controversial and factually disputed[32][33] memoir War's End, Major General Charles Sweeney related an alleged 1944 incident that may have been the basis for the "It wouldn't dare" comment.[34]
Despite his uncompromising attitude regarding performance of duty, LeMay was also known for his concern for the physical well-being and comfort of his men.[35] LeMay found ways to encourage morale, individual performance, and the reenlistment rate through a number of means: encouraging off-duty group recreational activities,[36][37] instituting spot promotions based on performance, and authorizing special uniforms, training, equipment, and allowances for ground personnel[38] as well as flight crews.
A famous legend often used by SAC flight crews to illustrate LeMay's command style concerned his famous ever-present cigar.[30] In the first known published account of the story, Life Magazine reporter Ernest Havemann related that LeMay once took the co-pilot's seat of a SAC bomber to observe the mission, complete with lit cigar.[31] When asked by the pilot to put the cigar out, LeMay demanded to know why. When the pilot explained that fumes inside the fuselage could ignite the airplane, LeMay reportedly growled, "It wouldn't dare."[31] The incident in the article was later used as the basis for a fictional scene in the 1955 film Strategic Air Command. In his highly controversial and factually disputed[32][33] memoir War's End, Major General Charles Sweeney related an alleged 1944 incident that may have been the basis for the "It wouldn't dare" comment.[34]
Despite his uncompromising attitude regarding performance of duty, LeMay was also known for his concern for the physical well-being and comfort of his men.[35] LeMay found ways to encourage morale, individual performance, and the reenlistment rate through a number of means: encouraging off-duty group recreational activities,[36][37] instituting spot promotions based on performance, and authorizing special uniforms, training, equipment, and allowances for ground personnel[38] as well as flight crews.
You're idea of what enforcing chicken **** rules vs. Lemay's are probably a bit different. Lemay came from the officer corp that won World War 2.
The Official SAC Motto was "Peace Is Our Profession".
The unofficial SAC motto was "To Err Is Human. To Forgive is not SAC Policy."
Anyone who served in SAC will tell you that. He was especially hard on his officers. He demanded the highest military standards of behavior, appearance and job knowledge.
In turn, those officers demanded the same of the people under their command.
A lot of the things that we had to do on a day to day basis were indeed chicken ****. That is the military. That's how it goes.
You don't have to like it, you just have to do it.
i don't know….but id guess there was a "rule" against cigars in a cockpit too.
I love straight talk. But apparently you don't realize you can express your opinion and question someone else's without being rude and insulting
I think he's made it clear it's not his own personal opinion, just a reality of the system. Like it or not following rules and orders is the very foundation of discipline and discipline is the very foundation of armed forces in a Free Society. So you want military commanders to ignore the rules and command structure when you think somethings stupid? What happens when they take it upon themselves (break rules) to then do something you disagree with? How about this story. Commander allows his base soldiers to be armed against the rules. One of his soldiers goes nuts because his breakfast is overcooked and shoots and kills 5 people in the mess hall. It's the commander himself who throws himself in front of others and shoots nut boy dead. HERO or VILLAIN? Just saying that everything isn't as clear cut as many would like to believe and there's no reason for personal attacks if someone doesn't agree with you. Especially on the internet where little men can talk big. (no saying that's you)
ok. it's giveaway day so let's call a truce. I meant to disagree with you, not insult you or your service.
ok spavent?
However, i still disagree. This officer could have made a choice not to return fire and in so doing saved his career…but I like the choice he made.
