Engraving question

[rOmiLaYu]

. The atf never knows if you engraved your weapon till your in trouble for something and at that point your already boned

 

[No2sc2]

Engraving doesn't have to do with the stamp. I've had to correct five forms before they were approved for missing a word in my trust name. I did a bunch before I got one back, it doesn't get denied, it comes back for correction. The atf never knows if you engraved your weapon till your in trouble for something and at that point your already boned

Oops didn't read it all. I saw form approve and NFA. Yeah don't know how the engraving thing works. I honestly don't even know if you're suppose to engrave your Trust name UNLESS you specify it on the form. Like my Colt 6920, I put registration under my Trust but I didn't have to engrave since it already had all the proper info engraved. I just had to list it on the form.

 

[JDG.]

Oops didn't read it all. I saw form approve and NFA. Yeah don't know how the engraving thing works. I honestly don't even know if you're suppose to engrave your Trust name UNLESS you specify it on the form. Like my Colt 6920, I put registration under my Trust but I didn't have to engrave since it already had all the proper info engraved. I just had to list it on the form.

You sir are incorrect if you form 1 that 6920.

 

[user 71]

I thought with the Sig that the upper was the firearm (opposite of the AR)? Is this not this case?

 

[JDG.]

Yes the sig upper is the firearm, and it's steel. The aluminum lower is what's giving me problems now

 

[No2sc2]

You sir are incorrect if you form 1 that 6920.

So I am suppose to engrave my Trust name on my lower? Oops, I need to get that done then. Hahhaha I thought the registration is just registration. I didn't think I had to engrave since I listed all the information on the form like caliber/additional description ect... I always thought the Trust engraving is for people who started from NOTHING. I thought it was different for a rifle thats already been made by a company.

 

[JDG.]

You become the manufacturer if your form 1 any weapon. heres some reading.
http://www.atf.gov/firearms/guides/importation-verification/firearms-verification-overview.html

Marking Requirements – NFA Firearms

27 CFR 479.102
Q: How must firearms be identified?a.You, as a manufacturer, importer, or maker of a firearm, must legibly identify the firearm as follows: 1.By engraving, casting, stamping (impressing), or otherwise conspicuously placing or causing to be engraved, cast, stamped (impressed) or placed on the frame or receiver thereof an individual serial number. The serial number must be placed in a manner not susceptible of being readily obliterated, altered, or removed, and must not duplicate any serial number placed by you on any other firearm. For firearms manufactured, imported, or made on and after January 30, 2002, the engraving, casting, or stamping (impressing) of the serial number must be to a minimum depth of .003 inch and in a print size no smaller than 1/16 inch; and
2.By engraving, casting, stamping (impressing), or otherwise conspicuously placing or causing to be engraved, cast, stamped (impressed), or placed on the frame, receiver, or barrel thereof certain additional information. This information must be placed in a manner not susceptible of being readily obliterated, altered or removed. For firearms manufactured, imported, or made on and after January 30, 2002, the engraving, casting, or stamping (impressing) of this information must be to a minimum depth of .003 inch. The additional information includes: i.The model, if such designation has been made;
ii.The caliber or gauge;
iii.Your name (or recognized abbreviation) and also, when applicable, the same of the foreign manufacturer or maker;
iv.In the case of a domestically made firearm, the city and State (or recognized abbreviation thereof) where you as the manufacturer maintain your place of business, or where you, as the maker, made the firearm; and
v.In the case of an imported firearm, the name of the country in which it was manufactured and the city and State (or recognized abbreviation thereof) where you as the importer maintain your place of business. For additional requirements relating to imported firearms, see Customs regulations at 19 CFR part 134.


b.The depth of all markings required by this section will be measured from the flat surface of the metal and not the peaks or ridges. The height of serial numbers required by paragraph (a)(1) of this section will be measured as the distance between the latitudinal ends of the character impression bottoms (bases).
c.The Director may authorize other means of identification upon receipt of a letter application from you, submitted in duplicate, showing that such other identification is reasonable and will not hinder the effective administration of this part.
d.In the case of a destructive device, the Director may authorize other means of identifying that weapon upon receipt of a letter application from you, submitted in duplicate, showing that engraving, casting, or stamping (impressing) such a weapon would be dangerous or impracticable.
e.A firearm frame or receiver that is not a component part of a complete weapon at the time it is sold, shipped, or otherwise disposed of by you must be identified as required by this section.
f.1.Any part defined as a machine gun, muffler, or silencer for the purposes of this part that is not a component part of a complete firearm at the time it is sold, shipped, or otherwise disposed of by you must be identified as required by this section.
2.The Director may authorize other means of identification of parts defined as machine guns other than frames or receivers and parts defined as mufflers or silencers upon receipt of a letter application from you, submitted in duplicate, showing that such other identification is reasonable and will not hinder the effective administration of this part.

Since you become the builder, you need to put

iii.Your name (or recognized abbreviation) and also, when applicable, the same of the foreign manufacturer or maker;
iv.In the case of a domestically made firearm, the city and State (or recognized abbreviation thereof) where you as the manufacturer maintain your place of business, or where you, as the maker, made the firearm; and

the other info is already on the gun. when filling out your form 1 do not fill out more info then you need to for example the other markings block.

go to gun lawyers . com

 

[T-Roy]

So I am suppose to engrave my Trust name on my lower? Oops, I need to get that done then. Hahhaha I thought the registration is just registration. I didn't think I had to engrave since I listed all the information on the form like caliber/additional description ect... I always thought the Trust engraving is for people who started from NOTHING. I thought it was different for a rifle thats already been made by a company.

Legally you manufacturered a weapon, so it has to be engraved with manufacturer and location the sbr was made, there are even specs on how high and deep the engraving has to be (minimum) but I don't know them off the top of my head.

 

[No2sc2]

You become the manufacturer if your form 1 any weapon. heres some reading.
http://www.atf.gov/firearms/guides/importation-verification/firearms-verification-overview.html

Oh damn, oh well, I'll just get my colt engraved. I didn't know... I thought it was only for those who started with a fresh new lower thats not even registered as a rifle/pistol.

 

[JDG.]

http://www.guntrustlawyer.com/form1.html