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maybe? and thats the issue lolIf you personally "create" a firearm, (completing an 80% receiver), and OFFER IT FOR SALE, are you not the manufacturer ?
its weird, you dont save any money from building your own hahaOnline, the parts without the frame sell for more than the complete gun would sell for, if it were allowed here.
If you personally "create" a firearm, (completing an 80% receiver), and OFFER IT FOR SALE, are you not the manufacturer ?
The difference is he is not engaged in the BUSINESS of manufacturing firearms. He made a firearm for his personal use, then at a later date decided, he no longer wanted it.You are. Hence it would have to be serialized/registered if you are selling it and not keeping it for yourself. (As far as I understand.)
ATF says that if you buy one firearm [with the intention] of selling it for a profit then you are in the business of selling firearms and must have a license. The only murky part really is proving intent. As for the government knowing what you have, the 4473 goes nowhere but in a filing cabinet. The only time the gumint sees it or gets the info is when they request a trace which has happened about four times in 6 years that I have been in business. Otherwise if you buy more than one handgun in a period of a week then a multiple handgun report is sent. Those are the only instances where the government knows anything about what you bought. If you don't have a carry license and a NICS check is required then they can assume you bought something. They don't know what and no serial numbers are recorded on the NICS check. They only know handgun, long gun or other.I think that the "in the business of" is murky as well... It's not as clear cut as being registered as a manufacturer, much the same way as being a dealer can be murky.
We all know that there are absolutely people here who buy and flip guns to make money. We know who they are, we see them buy a gun one week and then list it $25-$50 higher a couple weeks later... And while it is plausible to claim that they just like trying different guns out, there is a point where it becomes obvious that it's more than that... They flip a lot of guns to help fund their hobby of buying the actual guns that they want.
They aren't registered as a dealer, and they certainly aren't filing the profits as income, but I think that we would agree that they are playing in the gray area...
To me, 80% lowers simple aren't worth it. I can buy an AR lower for $40. So why spend more for an 80% one, plus the tools and stuff to mill it out, and my time, and the risk of doing it wrong, not to mention the fact that selling it one day could be an issue...
There is no benefit to me to make an 80% lower into a gun. It costs more, and has more red tape if I ever want to get rid of it, than just buying a finished product from a dealer...
If you are afraid of the gubment knowing what you have, then simply go the legal used market and follow the laws...
question, why are 4473 forms not destroyed after a period of time (or are they)?? or what happens if you guys close, do you turn your records over to the ATF? i can only imagine the giant pain in the ass housing all those would beATF says that if you buy one firearm [with the intention] of selling it for a profit then you are in the business of selling firearms and must have a license. The only murky part really is proving intent. As for the government knowing what you have, the 4473 goes nowhere but in a filing cabinet. The only time the gumint sees it or gets the info is when they request a trace which has happened about four times in 6 years that I have been in business. Otherwise if you buy more than one handgun in a period of a week then a multiple handgun report is sent. Those are the only instances where the government knows anything about what you bought. If you don't have a carry license and a NICS check is required then they can assume you bought something. They don't know what and no serial numbers are recorded on the NICS check. They only know handgun, long gun or other.
ATF says that if you buy one firearm [with the intention] of selling it for a profit then you are in the business of selling firearms and must have a license. The only murky part really is proving intent. As for the government knowing what you have, the 4473 goes nowhere but in a filing cabinet. The only time the gumint sees it or gets the info is when they request a trace which has happened about four times in 6 years that I have been in business. Otherwise if you buy more than one handgun in a period of a week then a multiple handgun report is sent. Those are the only instances where the government knows anything about what you bought. If you don't have a carry license and a NICS check is required then they can assume you bought something. They don't know what and no serial numbers are recorded on the NICS check. They only know handgun, long gun or other.