Presenting SBR Stamp

[batoncolle]

My interpretation of that is that you are responsible for retaining a copy and capable of producing it upon request. ie: responsible for record keeping of the original stamped form. I can produce a copy upon request within a reasonable time frame. That doesn't equate to keeping a copy with the NFA item at all times. I think most people err on the side of caution, but if you head to the range one day and forget it for some reason, I don't think you've broken any laws.

Well the reality of it is that "upon request," can be left up to interpretation, but the ATF is probably not going to be hitting you up at a range. I keep my paperwork with me in the unlikely event of ever being hassled by law enforcement which is much more likely to occur.

I rarely shoot anywhere in public anymore, but I used to do it all the time, and I have never once been questioned by anyone.

 

[mtdawg169]

Well the reality of it is that "upon request," can be left up to interpretation, but the ATF is probably not going to be hitting you up at a range. I keep my paperwork with me in the unlikely event of ever being hassled by law enforcement which is much more likely to occur.

I rarely shoot anywhere in public anymore, but I used to do it all the time, and I have never once been questioned by anyone.

Agree completely.

 

[Laxguy59]

Well the reality of it is that "upon request," can be left up to interpretation, but the ATF is probably not going to be hitting you up at a range. I keep my paperwork with me in the unlikely event of ever being hassled by law enforcement which is much more likely to occur.

I rarely shoot anywhere in public anymore, but I used to do it all the time, and I have never once been questioned by anyone.

on request is defined as a reasonable period of time in the case law I read once. Same goes for production of the Nfa item if they want to confirm it is still in your possession.

 

[Tony2X]

"Section 12.1 Maintaining proof of registration. The NFA requires that a person possessing a firearm registered in the National Firearms Registration and Transfer Record (NFRTR) retain proof of registration which must be made available to the Attorney General, specifically an ATF agent or investigator, upon request.184 Proof of registration would be on a Form 1 registering a firearm to its maker, Form 2 registering a firearm to an importer or manufacturer, or a Form 3, 4, or 5 showing registration of a firearm to a transferee."

Exactly, if an ATF agent wants to see mine...they can follow me home to get it. I aint carryin around all that crap, that's just ignant.

 

[batoncolle]

on request is defined as a reasonable period of time in the case law I read once. Same goes for production of the Nfa item if they want to confirm it is still in your possession.

That may well be, but I am referring to law enforcement - who are not lawyers. Sometimes you end up with all types of interpretation of the laws.

Me personally I just want to avoid the hassle. But if a range hassled me like the OP, I would have just turned around and walked out, never to return.

 

[mtdawg169]

That may well be, but I am referring to law enforcement - who are not lawyers. Sometimes you end up with all types of interpretation of the laws.

While true, the really ironic part is that local law enforcement doesn't appear to actually have the authority to ask for it. But like you said, it's more about the potential hassle. My SBRs have a copy tucked into the grip. The only one that's an issue is the suppressor, because it gets shifted around to different guns and different cases. I'll remedy that shortly by taking ROmiLaYu's approach and imaging copies of everything.

 

[batoncolle]

While true, the really ironic part is that local law enforcement doesn't appear to actually have the authority to ask for it. But like you said, it's more about the potential hassle. My SBRs have a copy tucked into the grip. The only one that's an issue is the suppressor, because it gets shifted around to different guns and different cases. I'll remedy that shortly by taking ROmiLaYu's approach and imaging copies of everything.

In GA no they do not have the authority, but it hasn't stopped them from asking based on accounts I have heard/read.

There are a few states with state laws that allow it. TX for example has some unusual state law which requires you to show proof.

 

[mkdhotrod]

That may well be, but I am referring to law enforcement - who are not lawyers. Sometimes you end up with all types of interpretation of the laws.

Me personally I just want to avoid the hassle. But if a range hassled me like the OP, I would have just turned around and walked out, never to return.

Case law also says state and local LEO'S don't have an obligation to enforce federal law.

 

[Twitch2120]

Why do we get so butt hurt over a stamp? It's a tax you paid. What is so bad about showing it?

Short answer is only the ATF. Long answer is anyone whose land or range you wish to use. I enjoy pulling out all my form 4's.

 

[sovietak474u]

Why do we get so butt hurt over a stamp? It's a tax you paid. What is so bad about showing it?

Short answer is only the ATF. Long answer is anyone whose land or range you wish to use. I enjoy pulling out all my form 4's.

It is about privacy. I am not happy that I had to pay it at all. Then to make matters worse I got some gun store guy playing cop. Nah. Id rather be escorted off the premises.