I own literally the rarest and highest end of B&T's. Compared to HK its trash sorry.
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I own literally the rarest and highest end of B&T's. Compared to HK its trash sorry.
The military adopts many things. Doesn't mean a single thing. Like at all.
I will take your word for it
Just because you own what you think is the "rarest and highest end" B&T doesnt mean your opinion means anything. How about giving some personal insight before calling something trash? You literally have given no reasoning as to why you think one is better than the other or why the other is trash.
Mp5 is a 60 year old design. No last round bolt hold open, no bolt release, cant insert full mag with bolt closed, paddle mag release, dooky trigger, proprietary magazines, nonreplaceable grip, but it shoots like butter. B&T PCCs correct ALL of that but doesnt shoot as buttery. Theres my insight on owning 2 B&Ts and handling both full auto mp5s and sp5s.
Whats your insight?
Yes. Apc9k has been adopted by our military. I believe therr are a few other models adopted by smaller agencies and specialized units
This, I can agree on this for the most part. Issued weapons are usually taken by the lowest bid. But specialized unit contracts are based on exact specifications for a specific purpose.
Lol. Man. I love guys like you. It's not what I "think" is the rarest and highest end of the B&T. I have what is actually; factually the rarest of the highest end guns. Every single limited production gun they've ever released I have atleast two of. I have one for sale on this damn site because I have two of 400 of them ever produced. As well as a laundry list of other limited and experimental B&T's floating around there including several BWC's and KH9 Coverts arriving a month earlier than anyone else. I don't understand why you're trying hard to be a contrarian. Honestly.
If you held a real H&K MP5; not an SP5 but a real MP5. You'd understand why B&T's offerings are trash in comparison. Does that mean B&T is a bad brand? No. But comparing apples to apples; their subguns are completely underwhelming. Just like how their rifles are absolute trash when you pit them against brands like LMT and KAC. Yet those same rifles would absolutely **** on anything a brand like CZ brings to the table. If you compare a B&T to a CZ platform weapon or any of the other countless underwhelming brands then yes B&T is leagues above them. But when you actually start making them punch their weight against established companies like KAC, HK, LMT, and various other high end brands; you start to see a lot of flaws in their weapons. I understand you like B&T; but the fanboyism isn't warranted. Karl doesn't need you defending his products. You also dismiss my opinion as someone who holds certain B&T products that you most likely will never own yet your opinion is valid. I find that interesting.
You've summed it up anyway; I don't really feel like explaining something that doesn't need explaining to people in the know. B&T improves on everything that the MP5 brings except the actual shooting performance. In the things that MATTER; B&T is like a child trying to mimic the classic. I've done many test fires with actual DB equipment of all of the B&T SD weapons; and not one, not a literal single one; has done better than a standard HKMP5SD in terms of shooting performance, accuracy, and sound. There is literally not a single member of any police or military unit that engages in close encounters or covert operations as their primary job that would choose a B&T platformed weapon over an MP5. Every single person would choose a short intermediate cartridge rifle before either but if they were forced to choose a PCC; the MP5 is the only weapon they'd pick. No specialized agency that does high intensity work cares about minute details like proprietary mags or small conveniences. This is all a very moot point because Pistol Caliber Sub Guns are almost never used in any real world engagements these days. They have all largely fallen out of favor of the short barreled intermediate cartridge. The only times they make appearance is if a low profile is a higher mission priority than complete engagement. In those scenarios; again HK wins. The Swiss Guards, secret service, and many other countries governing protection agencies all use MP5ks and MP7's across the board.
The APC9k is not used by a single specialized unit that does any sort of high intensity work. I don't understand why a lot of guys like you measure the effectiveness of a weapons platform just because the military adopts it. The MP5 was never "officially" adopted by the military in the way the APC9K has been; yet it found it's way into the hands of nearly every single special forces unit ever created since it's inception. The literal only reason the APC9K is because B&T is half the price per unit and they are able to produce significantly faster than HK can the MP5K. Additionally; the APC9K is more intuitive for a standard minimally trained operative to pickup and use since they'll have familiarity with the manual of arms whereas the MP5 uses non-traditional manual of arms. This tired argument is like saying a Colt\FN M4 is better than a KAC M4 just because there are significantly more units of those lower tier M4's being issued out versus KAC. It's really just nonsensical.
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? You should be ashamed of yourself listing an item like this and causing so much turmoil and friction..
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