No More Bump Stocks

[Discollector]

Everything you are saying may be true to an extent... the only point i am trying to make is when Chuck Schumer, Dianne Feinstein, Pelosi, Brady, any of the biggest loudest mouthed gun grabbers in the nation, heck when ANY OF THEM get a spot on CNN or any news channel, paper, or internet tweet board.....they all say the same damed things.....that usually is something along the line of THE NRA IS THE EVIL ONE, The NRA cant run and hide from this bill....the NRA is the group they are gonna hammer to the anvil (schummer quote) .... you never, NEVER hear them talking about any other pro gun group.

You really ought to watch World Wrestling Entertainment and maybe hang out with a magician for a few weeks.

YOU might be on the run, by I voted for a gun owner for governor.

Most people don't know when they've been had. And, it's hard to accept. It's a simple formula: people are giving to the least effective gun rights group while the other guys do the work. IF the smaller guys succeed, the NRA takes the credit. They remain in the spotlight, but the NRA has NO interest in your Right to keep and bear Arms.

I went to a gun show recently in Gwinnett. The guy hawking memberships knew NOTHING about legal or political strategies. This deal with banning bump stocks goes way further than gun control itself. It was high school civics 101.

Of course the libs are always talking about the NRA. If you could sit down with the movers and shakers of that organization, you'd find they know less about the law than most 18 year old punk dope smokers. Political strategies? They don't have one. As long as they get the spotlight, the Republicans can get away with pawning off anti-gun liberals to represent you. They're NRA all the way until your gun Rights are on the line.

Think about it. They endorsed George Bush and he turned on them, burning his NRA membership card in public and signing an Executive Order to ban semi auto imports. When it came time for the next Bush to run, they backed him and he told Congress he would make the Assault Weapons Ban permanent.

What would happen if the NRA had the cahones to tell the two major parties to pound sand and pledge to endorse a third party candidate? Every journey begins with a single step. Tell the NRA in advance and see if they can't find a pro-gun candidate with a record other than one like Trump's. If they don't, you might lose one election, but four million votes for the Libertarian will not go unnoticed. If you want your vote to count, be ready for an initial loss.

 

[AC-130 Above]

Could it be possible that the NRA has been swallowed hole by our corrupt political system and has succumbed to compromises? If the NRA fought tooth and nail for every gun freedom would they even be listened to by our government policy makers? I mean its just a thought, I don't know **** about the NRA just trying to understand why they do the things they do.

 

[41mag]

You really ought to watch World Wrestling Entertainment and maybe hang out with a magician for a few weeks.

YOU might be on the run, by I voted for a gun owner for governor.

Most people don't know when they've been had. And, it's hard to accept. It's a simple formula: people are giving to the least effective gun rights group while the other guys do the work. IF the smaller guys succeed, the NRA takes the credit. They remain in the spotlight, but the NRA has NO interest in your Right to keep and bear Arms.

I went to a gun show recently in Gwinnett. The guy hawking memberships knew NOTHING about legal or political strategies. This deal with banning bump stocks goes way further than gun control itself. It was high school civics 101.

Of course the libs are always talking about the NRA. If you could sit down with the movers and shakers of that organization, you'd find they know less about the law than most 18 year old punk dope smokers. Political strategies? They don't have one. As long as they get the spotlight, the Republicans can get away with pawning off anti-gun liberals to represent you. They're NRA all the way until your gun Rights are on the line.

Think about it. They endorsed George Bush and he turned on them, burning his NRA membership card in public and signing an Executive Order to ban semi auto imports. When it came time for the next Bush to run, they backed him and he told Congress he would make the Assault Weapons Ban permanent.

What would happen if the NRA had the cahones to tell the two major parties to pound sand and pledge to endorse a third party candidate? Every journey begins with a single step. Tell the NRA in advance and see if they can't find a pro-gun candidate with a record other than one like Trump's. If they don't, you might lose one election, but four million votes for the Libertarian will not go unnoticed. If you want your vote to count, be ready for an initial loss.

Look, i get what you are saying....i agree with it 100%. I have not given so much as apenny to NRA since the Clinton years. I have been a life member since 1980. The past 3 years i have given to GOA, AND GA GUN .

I will still stand by the words i say. If NRA tanks, we will lose the fight. Period. They are the ONLY NAME that is out there that people (that arent gun owners, 2A fighters, gun rights groups) recognize on a big scale.
You still have no damned idea what i’m talking about.

 

[Discollector]

Could it be possible that the NRA has been swallowed hole by our corrupt political system and has succumbed to compromises? If the NRA fought tooth and nail for every gun freedom would they even be listened to by our government policy makers? I mean its just a thought, I don't know **** about the NRA just trying to understand why they do the things they do.

The NRA was founded as a gun control group. Now, they want you to believe that they are surprised and stunned when Trump supports gun control:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/feb/28/trump-background-checks-gun-control

Do you honestly believe that the NRA did not know about Trump's stance, given that he wholeheartedly endorsed gun control in his 2000 book "The America We Deserve?"

 

[Discollector]

Look, i get what you are saying....i agree with it 100%. I have not given so much as apenny to NRA since the Clinton years. I have been a life member since 1980. The past 3 years i have given to GOA, AND GA GUN .

I will still stand by the words i say. If NRA tanks, we will lose the fight. Period. They are the ONLY NAME that is out there that people (that arent gun owners, 2A fighters, gun rights groups) recognize on a big scale.
You still have no damned idea what i’m talking about.

I hear you; I get what you're saying; I understand. Many years ago, Neal Knox convinced me to stay in the NRA. He believed we could change that organization from the inside. Knox would run for president of the NRA and I became a lobbyist.

The NRA was sending out people like me to go across the country, twisting the arms of the congresscritters over a so - called "armor piercing bullet ban." They would scare people into joining - saying it's a "Trojan Horse in disguise" especially because one of the metals being outlawed was what was in almost all .30 - .30 ammo at the time. Anyway, one day U.S. Representative Ed Jenkins summons me to his office in Ellijay and shows me a letter he had just received from Harlan Carter, the president of the NRA at the time. In it, Carter promised to endorse Jenkins even if voted for the armor piercing bullet ban. That was when my mind changed.

Since that time, Charlatan Heston, while president of the NRA, said three times in one radio interview that "the general public had no legitimate use for an AK 47 style rifle." He endorsed Brady II and between that and numerous other outrageous things they've done, they endorse the Bump Stock Ban.

Today, the NRA along with that fraud known as Donald Trump, are about to fund a scaled down version of the nutty wall idea and, in exchange, Trump will support Universal Background Checks... which is why Trump supported the diversionary wall idea in the first place. All of you will say it's just good politics and, after all, you can still keep your AR 15 - though you won't be passing that Liberty down to your children, grand-children and generations yet to come.

In my lifetime Republicans endorsed by the NRA have signed Executive Orders banning semi-auto imports; signed legislation prohibiting individuals from registering and converting their semi-auto to select fire / fully auto. They allowed the Assault Weapons Ban to be passed; endorsed a presidential candidate that said he would make the AWB permanent if Congress would send the bill to him. I could go and on, but the point is we can lose for free.

We can also send a strong message by telling the powers that be (the NRA and the RINOs in cahoots with them) that the gig is up. We can choose to begin winning. I don't propose to go on camera and give the controlled news media fodder to make it look like a pissing match between gun owners and the NRA. I think you get a tough bull dog that will go to the NRA and enlighten their lobbyists and guys like the ones that hang out at gun shows recruiting. Enlighten them and let them know that we understand what they're doing. We make sure that all the current congresscritters realize we know what they're doing. We develop our own ranking and endorsement system and make sure we deliver a unified message: Not one more inch.

I get what you're saying. OTOH, competition is good for business. Although it sounds counter intuitive, when Coke first came out, they could not market the product. Coke put Royal Crown Cola into business just to have someone to compete against. If our future is dependent upon organizations that sell us out, then what, exactly, is the point? And, if the NRA is the only recognized player in the game, then the left knows they will end up with what they want. The only takeaway I've gotten from Trump is that you can still be a major player without the acknowledgement, validation and reporting of the controlled news media.

We can either go on the attack or enjoy the last of the gun shows and private sales this year. The Republicans put the Whig Party out of business. Times change. And today, the ball is in your court.

 

[AC-130 Above]

I mean is the wall really that ****ing important

 

[Discollector]

I mean is the wall really that ****ing important

We have an immigration dilemma. HOWEVER, unlike other countries we are not at war with the people from south of the border NOR was America intended to be a socialist or communist country. THAT is the kind of places the build the wall guys cite in support of their wall.

We have better solutions at our disposal. We don't need a solution that is applied to protect communist and socialist countries; we aren't at war. So, there is a better way to address that issue without having to forfeit more Liberties to make the paranoid feel good.

The Trumpeteers will sell out your gun Rights with a smile on their face and joy in their hearts as they eliminate private gun sales and gun shows while creating National Gun Registration. And, under NO circumstances will they consider an alternative to the wall.

 

[AC-130 Above]

We have an immigration dilemma. HOWEVER, unlike other countries we are not at war with the people from south of the border NOR was America intended to be a socialist or communist country. THAT is the kind of places the build the wall guys cite in support of their wall.

We have better solutions at our disposal. We don't need a solution that is applied to protect communist and socialist countries; we aren't at war. So, there is a better way to address that issue without having to forfeit more Liberties to make the paranoid feel good.

The Trumpeteers will sell out your gun Rights with a smile on their face and joy in their hearts as they eliminate private gun sales and gun shows while creating National Gun Registration. And, under NO circumstances will they consider an alternative to the wall.

I appreciate the wealth of knowledge you've posted. So you used to be a lobbyist for the NRA?

 

[Discollector]

I appreciate the wealth of knowledge you've posted. So you used to be a lobbyist for the NRA?

Yes. That was in the 1980s when Neal Knox was the primary voice against the compromises of the NRA. After several decades of watching this cyclical pattern with the NRA and gun owners, we've taken all the gun control the U.S. can stand without simply erasing the Right.

I think back about the money I've spent, the complaining, etc. since then and wonder if I'd have made a bigger difference by running for public office. Now, with the government getting involved in outlawing products you legally purchase only to have to surrender it on a whim AND before this ends, the government telling us who we can and cannot do business with - I will have to do more than I ever have. We have to stop the cycle or be determined to live like slaves. Government cannot take many more Rights before we are officially socialist.

 

[ranger11]

Yes. That was in the 1980s when Neal Knox was the primary voice against the compromises of the NRA. After several decades of watching this cyclical pattern with the NRA and gun owners, we've taken all the gun control the U.S. can stand without simply erasing the Right.

I think back about the money I've spent, the complaining, etc. since then and wonder if I'd have made a bigger difference by running for public office. Now, with the government getting involved in outlawing products you legally purchase only to have to surrender it on a whim AND before this ends, the government telling us who we can and cannot do business with - I will have to do more than I ever have. We have to stop the cycle or be determined to live like slaves. Government cannot take many more Rights before we are officially socialist.

Whats the next step? I won't put money in the nra anymore (except membership fees the local range requires membership, hopefully that changes) but what does one do to combat the problem? Should we gather arms and leave family behind to fight for our rights? Years ago that was the normal thing to do. Do we donate money to a non profit other than the nra? I'd love to voice my opinion somewhere other than a forum.

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