The one with lighter colored wood and no top handguard looks something like a car Carcano or a Steyr- Mannlicher rifle, but it's not a perfect match for any specific model I know of.
Wait... how about the Dutch version of of The Steyr-Mannlicher model 1895 or M95
which is known in Dutch as the Geweer M95.
The Dutch seemed to use a rear sight ramp that is taller for longer distances --a big hump on the top of the barrel.
If that rifle in my post above had the top wood removed,
as The new owners of these guns would often do after the war
when they were sold cheap as surplus,
then I think the Dutch M95 would be a match.
Jack,
The top one appears to be a pre WWII German 98k... need a photo of the top of the front of the receiver to confirm year and maker...
Bottom one without closeups of markings, my guess is a 7.5 mm Italian Carcano... again, need closeups of markings on receiver... OR, one of the several versions of the Steyr M95 carbine...
hth...