I had one that had been cut down to a carbine..she was a kicker…son refused to shoot it after a few shots when we were qualifying at CMPI had a Remington 700 BDL in 30-06 for over 45 yrs and it kicked the hell out of me..Hated to sight it in every year before deer season..Nice thing was when I would take a deer down, I don't remember the kick..