UPDATE 10/3 - Injunction covers all FPC members - ATF publishes their pistol brace rule

[Red Squirrel 556]

The brace is no longer relevant. They are saying that oops we made a mistake, these braced pistols should've never been allowed, and now your in possession of a prohibited SBR. And per the existing rules, a foreign made braced pistol (now SBR) is already assembled and thus cannot be brought in 922r compliance. So either surrender it to us or destroy it.

Now granted the doc is piss poorly written, but this is what it appears to be.

That is not correct.

 

[Red Squirrel 556]

Raise your hand if you know what "manufacture a firearm" means...

Its still a form 1.

 

[teearr]

I read it as: If you put the brace to your shoulder then you would be breaking the law, If you use it as inteded to stablize using your arm then you should be good to go.

In a life threatening situation no one would have the time to strap on the brace or even shoulder the weapon. The reflex would be shooting from the waist to shoulder level without having the firearm "stock" touch any part of the body except maybe the hip.

Sometimes one wonders if these alphabet guys really understand and live in the real world.

 

[BillsCamino]

Still available ?????

 

[spencer60]

So the ATF isn’t going to collect the $200 fee, but is it really being waived or simply not required when you submit the form? What is the chance that someone submits 5 or 6 and in 121 days gets a bill for $1200 and if you are unwilling or unable to pay, you must surrender the weapon(s).

Still trying to figure out how DoJ (ATF) can just waive a tax levied by Congress.

 

[teearr]

Will this have to be registered, asking for a friend is a extar ep9, I may sell it don’t want th aggravation, I paid $500 for itView attachment 5220095

For what it is worth, here is what Extar have to say about the new ruling. There is more info. on their website.

On January 13th, the ATF published Rule 2021R-08F “Factoring Criteria for Firearms With an Attached Stabilizing Brace”. We are rightfully getting a lot of questions from our customers about how this rule will affect their EP9 Pistols. If you own an EP9 and are wondering how this Rule change affects you, we suggest that you read Rule 2021R-08F and the related material and consider whether your EP9 as configured is a Braced Pistol or an SBR under these new guidelines. If your EP9 is in a largely stock configuration with the included brace attached, there is a possibility that it will be considered a legal Braced Pistol. The ATF has two lists (List 1 and List 2) of braced firearms that they consider to be Short-Barreled Rifles. In these lists, they include only one firearm that is a 9mm short-barreled firearm with a functional receiver extension similar to the EP9, but the firearm had an adjustable brace equipped which Rule 2021R-08F does not want braces on Pistols to be adjustable. Given this, what we can say is that with the current information available to the public, the ATF has not cited our firearm as an SBR, they have not cited a Pistol in similar size, weight, caliber, and function with a fixed (non-adjustable) brace on it as an SBR, nor did they include any mention of our Extar Stabilizer which provides minimal surface area and length-of-pull for use as a shouldering device. We cannot say officially whether an Extar EP9 with either an SB-Tactical SOB (which the EP9 originally came with) or with an Extar Stabilizer (which the EP9 later came with) is considered an SBR by the ATF. Only the ATF FATD can say whether they consider our pistol with the fixed brace that it came with, an SBR. What we can say is that the Extar EP9 is clearly a pistol in our eyes, and we have worked hard to listen to the information that the ATF put out, in order to sell a legal Braced Pistol.

 

[lostchild]

That is not correct.

Beg to disagree, that is indeed a piss poor written document.

 

[Red Squirrel 556]

Beg to disagree, that is indeed a piss poor written document.

922r has absolutely nothing to do with this.

Sounds like some idiot yanked a bunch of parts off of an AK and tried to bill the atf for it. Wonder why that didnt pan out....

 

[batoncolle]

That is not correct.

What part is not correct? Here I'll paste the screenshot of the document for you.

 

[sniper22]

Anyone able to just post "layman's terms" responses or answers? If I stayed in the holiday Inn I could possibly filter it out but, so far everyone sounds like wannabe lawyers trying to practice with the proper paperwork....