I would like to start to put together a survival trip for ODT in Jan 2012.An overnight trip to somewhere easy for more to get to and time enough for some to donate their knowledge of things.The mtn trip was attended by 2 folks.Come on we all let Will down on that one myself included,sorry Will.So its the first of Oct we have time and we should see what we can do for this event.Fire making,compass reading,orienteering,topo things of that nature,if you know can you share.It'll be cooler so we can have a fire and sing campfire songs if you wish.LOL.Alright its out there,lets pick up and run with it.I like the Yargo idea as a first choice.