I need to use someone's gunbroker login. Rare gun
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Romilayu is correct but he's not saying you can lie on the 4473 question 11a, Are you the actual buyer? Then you'd be committing perjury.
But then ATF doesn't know what a straw purchase is either.
http://bearingarms.com/abramski-cas...nnical-drive-for-universal-background-checks/
But then ATF doesn't know what a straw purchase is either.
http://bearingarms.com/abramski-cas...nnical-drive-for-universal-background-checks/
nope...
N0 4473 for a C&R purchase
Link to it?
Good things come to those who wait.
Derailed thread. Straw purchase.......... Get ur facts straight. Can't be a know it all with the interent within reach.
As for GB account use........sorry bro. Got a deposit to hold it for?
Know it all? I asked a question?
Sorry to kick this thread a little further down the Off-Topic road, but DogLegArms brings up an important point that bears repeating.
Romilayu said, earlier in this thread, that you can't have a "straw purchase" if the buyer is legal to own guns and not a prohibited person.
That's wrong, and numerous cops, prosecutors, and judges have a different opinion.
You can say ATF's application of the "straw purchase" doctrine is over-reaching, and an infringement on your rights (as in the Abramski case that DogLegArms linked to above).
But that's sort of like saying the National Firearms Act is unconstitutional per the Second Amendment, or that you don't need a permit to open carry because it's a federal and state constitutional right to bear arms.
Such statements are not accurate given the state of the law today, and it's misleading to repeat them here as if it were the gospel truth.
If you don't believe me, and you think that straw purchases only come into play when the ultimate recipient of the gun is a " prohibited person" because that's what all the people you chat with on the internet say,
read this recent court case from a U.S. Court of Appeals (10th Circuit). It's not from Georgia nor even in our 11th Circuit, but it's a high level federal case applying the same federal laws that apply everywhere across the USA.
http://www.justice.gov/usao/nm/press-releases/2014/Mar/Reese%20Appellate%20Decision.pdf
The Reese family gun dealership was allegedly allowing straw purchases, and this court says that the federal law on straw purchases criminalizes making false statements on the federal paperwork.
While helping prohibited persons obtain a gun is ONE common motivation for a straw purchase, this FEDERAL COURT writes that it could also simply be a situation where the real behind-the-scenes buyer wants to remain anonymous and not have his name connected to a particular gun.
Romilayu said, earlier in this thread, that you can't have a "straw purchase" if the buyer is legal to own guns and not a prohibited person.
That's wrong, and numerous cops, prosecutors, and judges have a different opinion.
You can say ATF's application of the "straw purchase" doctrine is over-reaching, and an infringement on your rights (as in the Abramski case that DogLegArms linked to above).
But that's sort of like saying the National Firearms Act is unconstitutional per the Second Amendment, or that you don't need a permit to open carry because it's a federal and state constitutional right to bear arms.
Such statements are not accurate given the state of the law today, and it's misleading to repeat them here as if it were the gospel truth.
If you don't believe me, and you think that straw purchases only come into play when the ultimate recipient of the gun is a " prohibited person" because that's what all the people you chat with on the internet say,
read this recent court case from a U.S. Court of Appeals (10th Circuit). It's not from Georgia nor even in our 11th Circuit, but it's a high level federal case applying the same federal laws that apply everywhere across the USA.
http://www.justice.gov/usao/nm/press-releases/2014/Mar/Reese%20Appellate%20Decision.pdf
The Reese family gun dealership was allegedly allowing straw purchases, and this court says that the federal law on straw purchases criminalizes making false statements on the federal paperwork.
While helping prohibited persons obtain a gun is ONE common motivation for a straw purchase, this FEDERAL COURT writes that it could also simply be a situation where the real behind-the-scenes buyer wants to remain anonymous and not have his name connected to a particular gun.
