riot gun's nearly worthless at 25m

[mikey357]

You didn't even mention the fact that the recoil slows down the ability for good follow up shots, that the capacity is low and they are slow as hell to reload. In fact the only benefit to a shotgun is when shooting at optimum ranges around the 25 yards mark, so folks with questionable skills might still be able to make hits.

Nice to know I'm not the only one that has seen the light.

Where's the DISLIKE Button when you need it?

 

[Blue bio balls]

Wow...hi, old member.

 

[mikey357]

no, you aint good with $1 a shot slugs. If you were so inclined, you'd be MUCH better with a silenced 223. But you are just a blowhard, which is why you're counting upon a buckshot pattern being enough. If the buck pattern should be tight, why bother to limit yourself to a shotgun? that makes no sense. you're WAY ahead with a sound suppressed rifle. at least you'll still be able to hear his buddy moving after you shoot the first one, which you wont be able to do with the shotgun. At night, the flash of a buck blast is truly astounding, ruins your night adapted vision for several minutes, amateur.

Amateur? AMATEUR??? If there's ANYBODY on here who's NOT a Poser, it would be cmshoot...You have just revealed to all how deep your level of IGNORANCE really is...SMDH...

 

[Bear44]

Here's some actual live-fire tests that will prove you wrong. https://www.theoutdoorstrader.com/t...different-barrel-lengths-and-options.1457681/

With my 14" Rem870, I'm good to past 100yds with a slug.

Use the right weapon for the job. If I'm out in areas where I may need to reach further, I'll use a carbine. For HD, a good shotgun does just fine.

The thought that you want a large shotgun pattern at close ranges is wrong, and this notion is usually purported by folks that don't know squat about a good shotgun, and/or dislike them. I want that buckshot coming out as tight as I can get it. I don't want any flyers. I want every pellet to go in very close proximity to where I aimed.

You can get into any good pump shotgun, and most semi-autos, plus have the Vang Comp mods and such done, for much less than you'll pay for a good AR. So, if you like the idea of a shotgun, don't let the cost of mods dissuade you.

I know the perfect round to accomplish all of your goals about a tight shotgun pattern. It's called a rifle bullet.

 

[Bear44]

no, you aint good with $1 a shot slugs. If you were so inclined, you'd be MUCH better with a silenced 223. But you are just a blowhard, which is why you're counting upon a buckshot pattern being enough. If the buck pattern should be tight, why bother to limit yourself to a shotgun? that makes no sense. you're WAY ahead with a sound suppressed rifle. at least you'll still be able to hear his buddy moving after you shoot the first one, which you wont be able to do with the shotgun. At night, the flash of a buck blast is truly astounding, ruins your night adapted vision for several minutes, amateur.

Well, you lost an ally with this post. We debate back and forth here a lot, but the moment you start name calling and insulting others, you'll find yourself alone in the wilderness.

 

[VHinch]

no, you aint good with $1 a shot slugs. If you were so inclined, you'd be MUCH better with a silenced 223. But you are just a blowhard, which is why you're counting upon a buckshot pattern being enough. If the buck pattern should be tight, why bother to limit yourself to a shotgun? that makes no sense. you're WAY ahead with a sound suppressed rifle. at least you'll still be able to hear his buddy moving after you shoot the first one, which you wont be able to do with the shotgun. At night, the flash of a buck blast is truly astounding, ruins your night adapted vision for several minutes, amateur.

Two things:

You can debate all you want, but do it with some civility or find somewhere else to do it.

cmshoot is a big boy that doesn't need help defending himself, but you're barking up the wrong tree there champ.

Find your way quickly back to your lane.

 

[RamRoddoc]

The Germans thought combat shotguns loaded with 00 buck were inhumane...Caused undue suffering.

To the point they protested claiming it illegal for warfare and threatened to execute any American soldier caught with one.

The American General's response was the trench shotgun was legal and if the Germans executed U.S. Soldiers possessing shotguns we would execute all captured German soldiers.

https://www.warhistoryonline.com/war-articles/famous-model-1897-shotgun.html
https://www.wearethemighty.com/articles/the-6-most-terrifying-weapons-of-world-war-i



Meh what did the Germans know.

Germans were dismayed by it. So much so that they began to protest its use in combat, issuing a diplomatic protest against the American use of shotguns, claiming it was prohibited by the law of the war.

 

[Glorfindel]

At 25 meters no target's inside my dwelling, so I won't be shooting at it with a 12ga, so nothing relevant to me in the post.

I kno right?

 

[whiskerz]

There is so much in the OP I have no idea where to start.

 

[roydamnmercer]

I once dropped a guy at 50’ with a well packed snowball.

Of course this form of engagement is only practical if you’re in Minnesota during the winter months.