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You can pay upwards of $150 on gunbroker.com if you are desperate
sure you can. work up and be safe.
I just THOUGHT I was prepared! I’m not, lol
Dang, I hate to get to the party late.
W296 is re-branded Hodgdon 110. Why manuals have different loads for them is a mystery. Hodgdon makes several Winchester powders. I have loaded a truck load of 296 over the years, especially in compressed loads, which some manual recommend.
On the primers, I have more experience with shotguns that rifles or handguns. Several years ago, someone did research on shotgun primers, which theoretically are all the same (mostly). The differences in the primers was substantial, with the European primers (Fiocchi, Cheddite) being substantially hotter than American ones. The manuals say don't swap primers - I never loaded (much) balls to the wall shotgun primers, and found that for target loads, there was no discernible difference.
I did experiment with pistol primers, and did load some balls to walls loads, and practically speaking, didn't find any substantial consistent difference, as measured with a chronograph. I used standard pistol primers because they were cheaper. There was one powder, the name of which escapes me at the moment, which had inconsistent ignition with standard primers, with all sorts of unburnt powder in the bore and anything close downrange. Magnum primers solved the problem, me not using that powder solved my problem
I read the notice above from Dillion. The brand of the .40 cal. is not mentioned, and like most issues in the gun world, i think there is a large amount of CYA going. I'm not convinced that changing a primer would result in pressures that exceed those of a proof load, which assumedly the pistol had endured. The "incident" is based on self reporting, and the DA doesn't report what and how much powder he was using, and certainly doesn't report whether he overcharged the round or what.
Again, going back to my shotgun days, about once a year, there would be report of a shotgun (all target guns) that just spontaneously "blew up" and Brand X guns were pieces of crap. INVARIABLY the shooter was using reloads, which he swore were "right out of the manual". This was a particular interest of mine and I tracked down these incidents all across the country, and not one blow up could be verified as using factory ammo. Point being that I am taking with a grain of salt any report that an unmodified pistol shooting a load from a published manual blew up because of a primer swap.
W296 is re-branded Hodgdon 110. Why manuals have different loads for them is a mystery. Hodgdon makes several Winchester powders. I have loaded a truck load of 296 over the years, especially in compressed loads, which some manual recommend.
On the primers, I have more experience with shotguns that rifles or handguns. Several years ago, someone did research on shotgun primers, which theoretically are all the same (mostly). The differences in the primers was substantial, with the European primers (Fiocchi, Cheddite) being substantially hotter than American ones. The manuals say don't swap primers - I never loaded (much) balls to the wall shotgun primers, and found that for target loads, there was no discernible difference.
I did experiment with pistol primers, and did load some balls to walls loads, and practically speaking, didn't find any substantial consistent difference, as measured with a chronograph. I used standard pistol primers because they were cheaper. There was one powder, the name of which escapes me at the moment, which had inconsistent ignition with standard primers, with all sorts of unburnt powder in the bore and anything close downrange. Magnum primers solved the problem, me not using that powder solved my problem
I read the notice above from Dillion. The brand of the .40 cal. is not mentioned, and like most issues in the gun world, i think there is a large amount of CYA going. I'm not convinced that changing a primer would result in pressures that exceed those of a proof load, which assumedly the pistol had endured. The "incident" is based on self reporting, and the DA doesn't report what and how much powder he was using, and certainly doesn't report whether he overcharged the round or what.
Again, going back to my shotgun days, about once a year, there would be report of a shotgun (all target guns) that just spontaneously "blew up" and Brand X guns were pieces of crap. INVARIABLY the shooter was using reloads, which he swore were "right out of the manual". This was a particular interest of mine and I tracked down these incidents all across the country, and not one blow up could be verified as using factory ammo. Point being that I am taking with a grain of salt any report that an unmodified pistol shooting a load from a published manual blew up because of a primer swap.
bought 1000 sp primers at smallwood firearms in sharpsburg, they have lots of primers and powder. He Will not sell the primers unless you get $300. Of other components. Told me he had 50k sp primers I noticed he also had rifle primers in both magnum and standard as well as LP in standard and magnum.
Did some scientific testing comparing the CCI small rifle and small pistol magnum. Loaded up 10 rounds of same load only changing the primer in the 300bo. Accuracy was identical and there was no appreciable difference in velocity. Also the firing pin strike on both primers could not be distinguished. I am convinced they are either the same primers or close enough u can't tell them apart. Take those results for what you will or give it a try yourself.
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